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usman - 24 Jun 2006, 04:03 am
Hi guys & girls. I want to ask that is big4 better for acca training or some big company like shell, siemens etc. which experience wud be better & have more value?

I am having offer from a big4 and I am also thinking about applying at a big company. I know the value of big4 but here in pakistan accounting firms extract everything from its trainees, always late night sittings & a very low salary (almostnon esixtant). it may disturb my studies, if not it will atleast disturb me :P whereas companies job timings are normal & salary is also better than big4.
book - 20 Sep 2006, 09:02 pm
Go for the accountancy firms.

If you are a student then why do you worry about working?

If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. So its better that you stay at home.
loverfellow - 22 Sep 2006, 09:23 am
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If you are a student then why do you worry about working?


Because it is essential for an accountant. We (ACCAs) have to complete three years practical experience to become qualified. So, thats why we have to worry about working as well as studying.

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If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. So its better that you stay at home.


I think you are the most active man in this world.
Stop spamming the forum with your unethical behaviour. If you can't change yourself then change (leave) this forum.
book - 23 Sep 2006, 12:36 am
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If you are a student then why do you worry about working?


Because it is essential for an accountant. We (ACCAs) have to complete three years practical experience to become qualified. So, thats why we have to worry about working as well as studying.



FYI the original post was:

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.......but here in pakistan accounting firms extract everything from its trainees, always late night sittings ....


And I replied:
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.....If you are a student then why do you worry about working?

If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. ...



It had nothing at all to do with the 3 yrs ACCA training! Where did that come from?



QUOTE:

If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. So its better that you stay at home.

I think you are the most active man in this world.
Stop spamming the forum with your unethical behaviour. If you can't change yourself then change (leave) this forum.


Thanks for the first comment. I take that as a compliment.

Second: I think that you (i.e. loverfellow) are having issues with me, ever since I challenged you in the Science Facts thread
http://www.accaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=664
and proved that you are a Number 1 Liar and false blamer.

Loverfellow, are you jealous of me?

Sorry loverfellow i cannot change just because an insecure person tells me to do so.

Regarding leaving: If you can get one other single member of this forum to say that he/she wants me to leave; then I shall leave.
sunflower - 23 Sep 2006, 08:11 am
hey guys...chill

y do u ppl wana prove u r the best..

its me who is the best.. :P

so stop arguing n fighting over nothing...but boook one thing to u i too have noticed that ur replies r rude to ppl sumtimes.dont do that!

this is a community v r all frends here to share ideas n thoughts...
sunflower - 23 Sep 2006, 08:15 am
bfore saying anything ALWAYS keep in mind that ur words shudnt hurt others..


and this is for all the members on this forum. & this applies even to me..
book - 23 Sep 2006, 08:33 am
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hey guys...chill


y do u ppl wana prove u r the best..

Someone here wants to prove that, and is launching vicious attacks on me for No Valid Reason Whatsoever.
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its me who is the best.. :P

Yeah we are fighting for second place.
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...but boook one thing to u i too have noticed that ur replies r rude to ppl sumtimes.dont do that!


I am rude, thats why i have my signature like that.
But its for the benifit of the poster.
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this is a community v r all frends.......


True friendship means advising friends correctly, even though it may not be as hunky dory as one wishes it to be.


anyways all the best.
loverfellow - 24 Sep 2006, 04:09 pm
QUOTE:

FYI the original post was:

Quote:
.......but here in pakistan accounting firms extract everything from its trainees, always late night sittings ....


And I replied:
Quote:

.....If you are a student then why do you worry about working?

If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. ...


You did not mention working in the big4 or a company other than big4. Did you?

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It had nothing at all to do with the 3 yrs ACCA training! Where did that come from?


But it had, depending upon where you work. In a big4 or non-big4. His problem was with big4.

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Thanks for the first comment. I take that as a compliment.


Oh so you feel that...

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Second: I think that you (i.e. loverfellow) are having issues with me, ever since I challenged you in the Science Facts thread
http://www.accaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=664
and proved that you are a Number 1 Liar and false blamer.


Well, time will tell who is a no.1 liar and false blamer. I am having some bad luck when posting in that thread. Lickety-split, you will get a response.

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Loverfellow, are you jealous of me?


I will consider my earlier response to that same question.
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Jealous?hem
What you think we are in a hot shot game.
People who do not respect others don't deserve respect as well. You are being rude to everyone with your atrocious self-help philosophy. You are taking self-help in the wrong sense. If someone ask for help then we should politely help him and also advise him/her with a positive attitude. What you think your rude behavior will change anyone - certainly not. People will be annoyed and you will only degrade yourself instead of inspiring.
http://www.accaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=373


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Sorry loverfellow i cannot change just because an insecure person tells me to do so.


Insecure? Are you going to shoot me.....oh pls don't.
What a nonsense approach to handle yourself or others. I just asked you to change yourself to become polite. I just......to be optimist and stop pessimism. I just.....not to be always critical. Is it so bad for you to get out of the jungle? You are just changing the atmosphere of the forum so that people are hesitated to discuss and ask anything. I really don't like this school type lecturophobia thingy here.
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Regarding leaving: If you can get one other single member of this forum to say that he/she wants me to leave; then I shall leave.


These are Sunflower views.
QUOTE:

so stop arguing n fighting over nothing...but boook one thing to u i too have noticed that ur replies r rude to ppl sumtimes.dont do that!

this is a community v r all frends here to share ideas n thoughts...
bfore saying anything ALWAYS keep in mind that ur words shudnt hurt others..


and this is for all the members on this forum. & this applies even to me..

Exactly the idea I wanted to convey. I personally don't like you to leave this forum. I just wanted that you change your attitude so others are not hurt. Apart from that, you are the most active member here. You can be equally respectful as well if you just work on your attitude. Its not too difficulty. Just avoid university lecture penetrating into your personality. You can be more beneficial to us in this way.
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y do u ppl wana prove u r the best..

Someone here wants to prove that, and is launching vicious attacks on me for No Valid Reason Whatsoever.


We are not in a Olympics game to prove ourselves best.
There are a lot of valid reasons to attack on your attitude. Just see yourself.
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its me who is the best.. :P

Yeh, I admit that in response to your attitude.

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I am rude, thats why i have my signature like that.


Its not your endowment to be rude. Just change your paradigm and signature and you will see things differently.
QUOTE:

But its for the benifit of the poster.
True friendship means advising friends correctly, even though it may not be as hunky dory as one wishes it to be.


True friendship means taking care of partners' emotions. There are other better ways to advise someone. As I said, just change your paradigm to seeing yourself being rude by nature, as its no one's endowment.
book - 24 Sep 2006, 10:37 pm
QUOTE:
QUOTE:

FYI the original post was:

Quote:
.......but here in pakistan accounting firms extract everything from its trainees, always late night sittings ....


And I replied:
Quote:

.....If you are a student then why do you worry about working?

If you are lazy then you cannot learn anything. ...


You did not mention working in the big4 or a company other than big4. Did you?
What has that got to do with work. You have to work for big 4 and for others to learn. No pain....No gain......Now tell me that why do you worry about working and learning if you are a student?
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It had nothing at all to do with the 3 yrs ACCA training! Where did that come from?


But it had, depending upon where you work. In a big4 or non-big4. His problem was with big4.
Again, waffling.......One has to work 3 year for ACCA membership wheather one works in Big4 or not...........So tell me how does it depend?
QUOTE:

Thanks for the first comment. I take that as a compliment.


Oh so you feel that...

QUOTE:

Second: I think that you (i.e. loverfellow) are having issues with me, ever since I challenged you in the Science Facts thread
http://www.accaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=664
and proved that you are a Number 1 Liar and false blamer.


Well, time will tell who is a no.1 liar and false blamer. I am having some bad luck when posting in that thread. Lickety-split, you will get a response.
You tried to respond with falsehood.......but i fought it back with truth.......it is clear that you are the liar and false blamer

QUOTE:
Loverfellow, are you jealous of me?


I will consider my earlier response to that same question.
QUOTE:

Jealous?hem
What you think we are in a hot shot game.
People who do not respect others don't deserve respect as well.

and lazy people deserve respect
You are being rude to everyone with your atrocious self-help philosophy.

why do you want everyone to be dependent..........why not let them learn for themselves??You are taking self-help in the wrong sense. If someone ask for help then we should politely help him and also advise him/her with a positive attitude. What you think your rude behavior will change anyone - certainly not. People will be annoyed and you will only degrade yourself instead of inspiring.

i that the attitude should be positive, but if you really want to help someone then the saying goes something like this: Teach a man how to fish, instead of fishing for him...........this is true help and true positive attitude

http://www.accaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=373


QUOTE:
Sorry loverfellow i cannot change just because an insecure person tells me to do so.


Insecure? Are you going to shoot me.....oh pls don't.

hahahahah..........the insecure aunty is feeling insecure....
What a nonsense approach to handle yourself or others.
put your words in your own mouth first
I just asked you to change yourself to become polite. I just......to be optimist and stop pessimism.
what has optimism and pessimsis got to do with our current discussion?
I just.....not to be always critical.
dont let others be always lazy....that is the aim.....if you really want to help them
......I really don't like this school type lecturophobia thingy here.

It not about lectures, its about making your effort to help yourself.

QUOTE:

Regarding leaving: If you can get one other single member of this forum to say that he/she wants me to leave; then I shall leave.


These are Sunflower views.
QUOTE:

so stop arguing n fighting over nothing...but boook one thing to u i too have noticed that ur replies r rude to ppl sumtimes.dont do that!


I am indeed rude many times.......but its better to be rude and right, then to be polite and wrong...........what do you say


this is a community v r all frends here to share ideas n thoughts...
bfore saying anything ALWAYS keep in mind that ur words shudnt hurt others..

making a person dependent is the worst way you could hurt him in a way

and this is for all the members on this forum. & this applies even to me..

Exactly the idea I wanted to convey. I personally don't like you to leave this forum.

thats a complete contradiciton to what you earlier said.

So how does it feel like to eat your words.

I just wanted that you change your attitude

because an aunty says so......never

so others are not hurt.
Apart from that, you are the most active member here.

that is because i love you students and really care about you

You can be equally respectful as well if you just work on your attitude. Its not too difficulty. Just avoid university lecture penetrating into your personality. You can be more beneficial to us in this way.
QUOTE:
y do u ppl wana prove u r the best..

Someone here wants to prove that, and is launching vicious attacks on me for No Valid Reason Whatsoever.


We are not in a Olympics game to prove ourselves best.
but we are in war.........hehehhehe

There are a lot of valid reasons to attack on your attitude. Just see yourself.
QUOTE:
its me who is the best.. :P

Yeh, I admit that in response to your attitude.

QUOTE:
I am rude, thats why i have my signature like that.


Its not your endowment to be rude. Just change your paradigm and signature and you will see things differently.
QUOTE:

But its for the benifit of the poster.
True friendship means advising friends correctly, even though it may not be as hunky dory as one wishes it to be.


True friendship means taking care of partners' emotions.


but not at the expense of hurting others.

There are other better ways to advise someone. As I said, just change your paradigm to seeing yourself being rude by nature, as its no one's endowment.


Indeed there are other ways........but how will a loser like me find them out?
loverfellow - 25 Sep 2006, 05:46 pm
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What has that got to do with work. You have to work for big 4 and for others to learn. No pain....No gain......Now tell me that why do you worry about working and learning if you are a student?

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Again, waffling.......One has to work 3 year for ACCA membership wheather one works in Big4 or not...........So tell me how does it depend?


You are just insensible when understanding things. Read it again...

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You tried to respond with falsehood.......but i fought it back with truth.......it is clear that you are the liar and false blamer


Who will decide this? You... sick maniac...
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and lazy people deserve respect

yes, they deserve.

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why do you want everyone to be dependent..........why not let them learn for themselves??

I want everyone to be interdependent.
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i that the attitude should be positive, but if you really want to help someone then the saying goes something like this: Teach a man how to fish, instead of fishing for him...........this is true help and true positive attitude


Yes, teach a man how to fish....but don't kick him into the river so he will never be willing to ask again.
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hahahahah..........the insecure aunty is feeling insecure....


An attempt to humor of a distressed psycho....

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put your words in your own mouth first


Did you ever do that?

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what has optimism and pessimsis got to do with our current discussion?


Uncommon sense of a maniac.
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dont let others be always lazy....that is the aim.....if you really want to help them


Set an example first that you are not lazy then inspire anyone.

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It not about lectures, its about making your effort to help yourself.


First you help yourself. Cure your mind.

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I am indeed rude many times.......but its better to be rude and right, then to be polite and wrong...........what do you say

This line is quintessence of the thought of a pyscho.

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making a person dependent is the worst way you could hurt him in a way


The purest sign of a maniac. He always concentrate on one thing and makes it his mission of life. He always think that he will change the world with his philosophy ignoring other facts. Anybody ever concerned about psychology can confirm from the history of maniacs
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thats a complete contradiciton to what you earlier said.

So how does it feel like to eat your words.


I just showed sympathy for you. But you don't deserve that too.

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because an aunty says so......never


wicked maniac thought of negligence to getting out of the hell.
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that is because i love you students and really care about you

Care yourself first. Go to a psychiatrist.
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but we are in war.........hehehhehe


Thats how a Hitler like psycho can think.

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but not at the expense of hurting others.


If you consider everyone a friend then who are others.

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Indeed there are other ways........but how will a loser like me find them out?


Loser is not correct word. You should say how a maniac will find it.